Thank you for viewing the responses concerning how to structure Sunday morning worship. The congregational council will be meeting on Tuesday, Dec. 11th to discuss how best to proceed.

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having two services.

1. Single Service

Length of a single service? Services are once again getting longer (announcements – we used to just be able to read them in the bulletin) (one communion line – communion takes longer) a single service can’t help but be longer. My preference is an efficient one hour service… is that a possibility?

I like the idea (Dave Barnum’s) of one collective service a month. I prefer the early service and am wondering what time the single service would be. The later the service, the less likely I would come.

Two services

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1. Single Service

One service a month accommodating the entire congregation, or two weeks of two services this meets many people.

I like the idea of education, service then worship/coffee hour as the protocol.

Benefit: financial savings of resources

Benefit: Education first service then worship more opportunity to participate in all

Two Services

Allows people to choose.

Concern: a drain on those who volunteer by doing things twice

Benefit: Financial benefit maybe or maybe not

2. Single Service

I will only attend early services. I am an early riser. I have been a member for over 30 years. While I enjoy worship together, I most likely will not continue if service is held at 10:00 or later. Even during summer when there is one service at 9:30 I find I only make it to church 50% of the time.

Two Services

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Diane took verbally for Marilyn

3. Single Service

I’m concerned about the music. I strongly prefer traditional music. I don’t enjoy contemporary Christian music for the most part.

I’m concerned there won’t be enough seats

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

One benefit would be not getting up so early

It would be nice to all be together and church to be more full

Two Services

I don’t really like getting up so early

Sometimes there aren’t too many people

I really like traditional music every week. If we did traditional music all the time I would be fine with one service.

4. Single Service

Benefits: fuller church, more energy, get to know more members

Concerns: Not everyone will make it. Mix up of traditional vs contemporary

Two Services

Benefits: traditional vs Contemporary service

Concerns: smaller church

5. Single Service

Those who get up early can come to church and have the rest of the day to go about their business

Two Services

If there are not 2 services there are those who will not be able to come at all because some cannot get up early.

I personally would prefer a service which would be held neither early nor late – split the time – maybe at 10am?

6. Single Service

Concerned the contemporary worship will be subsumed by traditional service making the church seem less welcoming to new members and children

Two Services

Concern that it fragments the congregation

7. Single Service

Having only a few empty chairs – all in the front. It’s embarrassing to try and find enough room for your family if you walk in late, especially if you have to sit in the front. Also, I like traditional music better, but that’s not a deal breaker.

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

Two Services

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8. Single service

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Two services

I am supportive of what council decides. We’d prefer: 9am FACE, 10 service, 11:15 coffee, etc.

9. Single Service

Time of service. I like early service. I don’t mind 9:30 but not later

Two Services

Time of service again.

10. Single Service

No worries as long as we have space for everyone

Two Services

None

Prefer 9 or 9:30 service

11. Single Service

Benefits: Full church, volunteers spots for one service, sense of community

Cons: music preference (for individuals may not prefer, I have no preference), some times don’t work for all

Two Services

I have no preference

Any time is fine with me

12. Single Service

Would need to go to more than one service during seasons that have higher worship numbers.

Finding the time that meets all needs.

I think it would be better to alternate between contemporary and traditional rather than to blend it each week.

Service at 9:30 at the latest, 9am is better

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

Two Services

I hugely prefer one service for all the reasons Ben and Kevin mention

13. Single service

The benefits are in being all together and have the church full, being able to participate in outreach projects, be able to share all musical styles, better staff worship assistants, have a later start time. Personally I love having us all together in the summer.

Would ask to have musical notes up on the screen for contemporary songs as well as traditional

Two Services

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14. Single Service

Benefits: bringing all our saints of all ages and music desire together under one service; a better distribution of needs and collaboration amongst members; a better use of resources; allows pastoral staff to consolidate services; time allows us to create a stronger children’s ministry; time would allow us to create bible studies which would meet all needs

Two Services

It divides our congregation; Jesus would not create 2 services I believe he would want to have all together.

One body, one service, at a time to serves the body best

Let’s free up our resources to be used in so many new and other ways.

I feel this would allow us to best meet the needs of the church and our ministry.

love, Jon Nicherson

15. Single Service

More efficient use of staff

More “family feeling”

Less ‘then and Us” thoughts by contemporary service people

Two Services

Time of service – 10am

Balance of songs.

Have Sunday school/coffee before church

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

16. Single Service

I love a single service because it gives an opportunity to see more people and I like a full church. I also like the idea of blending trad and contemp elements, music, etc.

I’m concerned though that we may lose some members who have strong feelings about a specific time

Two Services

Two Services do give options

17. Single Service

Unified worship

All the points that Ben made

Allows for FACE and SS to get a boost, allows for SS and fellowship

Allows for more energetic musical arrangements, blended seems great

Two Services

Divided resources

Lack of connection between members

Sunday morning congregation committee meetings can be scheduled and not conflict with worship or FACE

Old habits die hard – let’s be honest – early service is sketchy – a move to try for a year or two is fine.

Schedule: 9am FACE, 10am worship, 11:15 coffee/meetings

18. Single Service

Resources are enabled more fully

Learning variety of music

One body

Figuring best time

When to know when to go to 2

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

Two Services

We are divided

We think ours is the better, encourages tribes

19. Single Service

Would propose Faith classes begin at 9 (with coffee), worship at 10 and coffee hour w/service projects following

Another consideration is an alternative service day. Wow is an example. Perhaps a Sat. morning service?

Two Services

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Diane took verbally for Joel Z

20. Single Service

Let’s do one service!

All together, loaded and joyful!

9:30am

Two Services

Prefer one service

21. Single Service

Depends on what time the service is if I can come or not. Also it may make it too crowded. It’s good because you won’t have to duplicate the volunteer jobs. Also you can put all your energy into one service. Also it would make everyone see everyone else. If it’s one service 9:30 or 10 would work.

Two Services

Two services are good because of the timing. You can get to whichever one you can get to. It does seem to wear out the musicians as well as the pastor and help.

22. Single Service

Bigger attendance and better opportunities for fellowship. More diverse opportunities for our music and choir. Better opportunities to expand our children’s program.

I would prefer a 9:30 am service and class/coffee hour to follow

Two Services

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

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23. Single Service

I don’t see anything that’s more than just personal preference. (I’d miss drums and CCM. But I’d love to be able to occasionally sing with the choir).

Two services

Being together!

Conserving resources

Suggest 9:30 coffee, 10 service, 11:30 study/activity

24. Single Service

Good luck, I have been on council through prior changes. My guess is that the time will be the largest division. FLC will lose some congregants through this process but the larger need for our community (bringing all the youth together at one service) should be the top consideration.

Two Services

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Diane took verbally for Bill Youngstrom

25. Single Service

This church is one body not two pieces

Don’t burn out a good pastor

Better connect groups

Two Services

2 services Bad!

26. Single Service

I like having the chance of seeing everyone at church

I like for seeing a traditional service at a later hour than 8:30

I want there to be adequate room for all to be able to fit in the space – we want to be full, but not turning people away due to lack of space.

Two Services

Concern – Always putting the traditional service and music at 8:30 in effect denies me that service. My health issues prevent me arriving at the 8 o’clock hour.

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

Health issues make it very difficult – not usually possible – to get the body out of bed and to the church before 11am (sometimes 11 is too early).

27. Single Service

More warmth with bodies closer together; less energy cost for heating cooling; able to visit and worship with more members; more kids at church together

Two Services

Different music; varied worship

28. Single Service

I have always preferred the traditional service which usually means early service. At the same time I really love it when the sanctuary is full to overflowing.

I like the idea of alternating the traditional service with the contemporary service. Therefore I vote for one service at 9:30.

Two Services

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Evelyn Knight

29. Single service

I love the idea of having one service!

My concerns: the schedule not too early not too late, 9:30 or 10? Choir sings something every week. In the summer the choir only sang every other week, too tempting to skip if the choir’s not singing.

Two Services

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30. Single Services

I think it’s a good idea. When visitors arrive and the sanctuary is 1/3 or ½ full I wonder if they think “There’s not much happening here, I may look elsewhere” When they arrive at a mostly full service they say “this is a thriving church”.

I see leaders scrambling to recruit volunteers for Sundays and we need to not stretch them so thin.

I’m not sure how this will affect programming and attendance for FACE and children’s Sunday school.

Two Services

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

Bottom line: with all the ways God blesses us, are we going to stop attending worship at a particular hour because it’s inconvenient?

31. Single Service

A benefit would be a fuller sanctuary and worshipping with the full congregation. Organizing and filling volunteer spots would be improved!

A concern would be worship style – traditional or a different style. This would have an impact on attendance. A good number of 8:30 am folks only want traditional. Rotating Sundays would be an option but could affect attendance. Also a concern is the actual time change. It will change the flow of the day. That could cause folks to stop attending because of the time.

Two Services

A benefit for two services is it allows for a choice – worship style, time and possibly allows for new folks to gain a good view of two different worship experiences.

The concern is filling volunteer spots, and makes for a longer day for paid staff.

A concern to go from two to one service is when do you explore going back to two or stay with one? What is the driving concern? Attendance? Scheduling? Sunday School? Hopefully it would remain a fluid conversation!

In conclusion I am not understanding how this discussion is taking place. I have not seen any transparency in the discussion! I feel it could be a mistake with long lasting complications if this is done without more thought! I saw we changed from three to two worship services and lost folks!

32. Single Service

Benefits: The church would use less electrical and heating; the church would be full.

Concerns: I don’t feel comfortable in large groups; I experience a claustrophobic feeling. When we are all together I lose the closeness I feel with two services. It makes me feel more isolated and intimidated.

Two Services

Benefits: The smaller crowd makes me feel comfortable and at home. I feel like I’m worshipping with my family. I feel connected and engaged in a way that I don’t feel with two services. I love the contemporary service. It’s one of the things that drew us to Faith. I leave full of joy; inspired and recharged. When we have one service in the summer I don’t leave feeling the same way. I was one of the few that was excited to return to two services at summer’s end. The later time allows me to complete my chores and exercises before commuting to Chico.

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I listened to Pastor Ben, Kevin and Diane at the presentation on Sunday. Everyone presented valid reasons that I understood. My issues are personal ones that I’ve dealt with all my adult life. When we go to one service I will cope – it’s what I do. I will miss certain things but that’s what happens

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

with change. God will still be in my heart and pastor Ben’s words will still nourish my soul and that is what is most important. Thank you for listening to my concerns. I am extremely grateful to have experienced a church service that connected to my heart and soul in such a special way. It was a gift I shall treasure.

33. Single Service

Benefit: For those few who still attend they are all in one service. This can be achieved in other ways.

Concerns: Reduced attendance overall. We will lose members. Changing the time. I know many don’t like it. Forcing me to a form of worship I don’t prefer, traditional and contemporary. Don’t mash them together and say it’s okay. Council – please do not do this. I do not want to leave FLC but we will if we move to a single service.

Two Services

Concern: We will have to work at being one family, but we can do it.

Benefits: Members have a choice of worship style. Members have a choice of worship time. Worship is a satisfying experience, something to look forward to. That is not the case when we are in one service.

Please – Please – Please DO NOT CHANGE TO ONE SERVICE!! It would be a very BIG mistake.

34. Single service

I see very little benefit to one service other than having a full worship service.

With only one service I believe we will lose overall attendance. It is important to offer options and choices.

We strongly feel you need to take your time to make this very important decision!

Two Services

Two services allow Faith Lutheran to be more diverse and offer choices as to worship. Choices include different times for both late and early risers. Instead of one service we need to work harder to make each early and late service more fun and enjoyable. There is no need to have any service go over 1 hour and 15 min.

We need to strive for excellence at each service!

Tod and Sherri Kimmelshue

35. Single Service

Maximizing staff time. Combining attendance

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

If this change occurs could we alternate traditional and contemporary style worship services. Traditional w/o guitars, a choir master and choir vs the “worship team”

Two Services

Losing more of the traditional service: use of hymnals, saying confession before communion, the creed and other parts of service.

The beautiful tradition of the Lutheran liturgy music expressions of faith by grace is what makes Lutheranism so special.

36. Single Service

Won’t need as many volunteers

Two Services

We have to absorb some Paradise neighbors and it may be easier with two services

37. Single Service

It is great having a full church with the whole congregation at one service. The music is so wonderful with so many voices. However, there are many who have a difficult time with the time of a single service – some cannot attend at an early service and others do not like a late service. Sometimes I do not like to attend an early service but can get to the 11:00 service and visa versa – you have a difficult decision people who live a distance away may have a difficult time attending an early service.

Two Services

You can satisfy more people with two services even though the attendance is smaller. It is more work for the pastor, music director and youth director. When marketing to families it may be beneficial to have a choice of service times. It may be easier to get a family to church at 11:00 rather than 9 or 9:30. Having a full service on Wed or Sat eve may be a good alternative to two Sunday services. Just remember that you cannot please everyone. Blessings!

38. Single Service

Benefits: All church fellowship and connectivity; diverse worship styles; everyone knows everyone

Concerns: Time constraints – neither early or late worshippers are happy with the time compromise.

Two Services

Benefits: People can come worship at their convenience/schedule; people can choose their style of worship.

Concerns: You don’t get to know or connect with ½ our church community

39. Single Service

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

We vote to have a single worship service.

Two Services

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(Caryl Quinones, Franklin Quinones, Julio Quinones)

40. Single Service

We have a single congregation every Sunday. Less work for volunteers and staff. Larger number of musicians and servers available.

Concerns: Sunday School when? (Both kids and adults) Keep an idea that we do not trigger a retreat of members because service gets too large (because of too many people)

Two Services

I do not see a real benefit except allowing for Sunday school between services and more space for people not to feel crowded.

Concern: We become in practice two congregations

41. Single Service

All members are worshipping together and sharing fellowship just better all the way around.

What would timing of coffee hour and Sunday school be?

Is each member’s worship “style” being addressed without blending?

Two Services

Different worship styles addressed

42. Single Service

The benefits are we will congregate with both services together as one.

We suggest 9:30 or 10am

Two Services

two member vote

43. Single Service

I was not able to attend the single summer service, therefore I cannot compare! I realize a “full” service (of people) would be a good “P.R. issue” for Faith and we could all see each other every Sunday. It is difficult for some medically challenged/older people to be there at 8:30. I was sitting next to a deaf person at the meeting. She asked me did Faith have an interpreter . This would be a way to serve another population. I know because of the P.A. system, I sometimes find it difficult to

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

hear. When I am unable to read lips (when speaker looks the opposite way) I’ve been told by other church members with hearing aids that they have the same problem. (names upon request).

Two Services

I really enjoy the later service – pastor in “regular” clothes (not robes), upbeat spiritual music, etc. I feel the feeling of what the “original” church a long time might have – a rabbi or Christ talking to the people and maybe singing the songs of the dy. It feeds my general spirit; whereas a more “traditional” service sometimes has “slow” music and more of the “trappings” of the church of the past. I see many young adults (college etc, young couples) at the 11 o’clock service. Could some of the “feeling”/songs be included in a 9:30 or 10am service?

Thank you for “listening”! (reading this)

also on the top of the paper this person wrote: It seemed the decision had already been made.

44. Single Service

I thought there were many really good reasons given at the congregational meeting for having one service. I like the idea myself. I would think having one service at 9:30 or 10 would meet the needs of older persons with a medical regime to complete first – since I’m one of those people.

Two Services

There aren’t enough people for two services. I think we would feel more like a full and vibrant congregation joined together.

45. Single Service

Benefits: Helps build the friendships and relationships among all members; combine our talents

Concerns: I am concerned about the format of one new service. I enjoy the traditional format of the 8:30 service. It is what I am familiar and comfortable with.

Two Services

Concerns: The attendance at the 8:30 service has been declining

46. Single Service

Able to worship with friends from both services. Building our faith community together. Building new friendships and partnerships of more members at one service. Heartwarming to see a full church. A chance to combine the music and music styles from both services.

Two Services

Benefits: People who like 8:30; people who like 11:00

Concerns: lots of empty seats.

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

If I was looking for a church, I would hesitate coming back week after week with a low attendance. I would probably ask myself “what is wrong here? Why aren’t people coming?”

I prefer one service 9 or 9:15 ish. I would not leave Faith if we continue one service.

47. Single Service

I would like to have one service. I feel two services divide the church – you never get to meet everyone – one whole body could achieve more.

Two Services

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48. Single Service

I enjoy seeing all our members at one service – based on our summer experience

I would like the time to be at 9:30

Two Services

I really enjoy the choir. Can we include them at least every other Sunday if we go to one service. I like early service as it gives more time to do other activities.

49. Single Service

It would be nice to have all members at one service as we are a small church. We would get to know our church family better.

There will be some who would prefer the traditional service all the time and some the contemporary

Two Services

The early servicer is difficult for some people to make. Sometimes the attendance is low – more people would be nice.

If one service: 9:30

50. Single Service

I love the idea of a single service. I suggest Sunday school prior to service.

Two Services

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51. Single Service

We could try it if it doesn’t work go back to two. I would like to see a 9:30 service

The survey had two parts: A) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about

having a single service. B) Please tell us what benefits you see and what concerns you have about having

two services.

Two Services

I don’t know that 2 services has ever been a problem, we have always had at least 2 services except in the summer

If some would like to visit with others from another service there is the coffee hour, dinner for 8, Sunday school, etc.

52. Single Service

Since it is possible to fit everyone at one service, I would like that. I enjoyed the summer schedule because I sing in the choir. I have to be at Faith VERY early. One service would mean I would be coming later and still be done in enough time to get on with my day.

Two Services

It would just mean keeping the same schedule that would be actable but not preferable.

53. Single Service

There seem to be more good arguments for one service than two. With as few members as we have right now, the church just seems empty and bare with two services. It is hard to get to know people who go to the “other” service because we never see them. And probably the best argument relates to the medical, physical restrictions some people have. Some of our members have medical issues (personal or as a caregiver) that demand a certain amount of time in the morning. These issues need to be addressed before the person can leave home, so n early church time is difficult or impossible for them. Because of that last argument, I think the service should be closer to the 11:00 time slot.

Two services

Most of the arguments for having 2 services seem to boil down to a matter of convenience. We all have many interests and activities demanding our time. But should we be making it a priority to schedule church time with the goal of minimizing the amount of time we give to the Lord on His Day, and thus maximizing the amount of time we have left for “other” things? I think not!

54. Single Service

A single service brings everyone together as one body. We all worship together and have a social hour together. We get to see and know everyone in the church, not just half. I would benefit by having some traditional hymns. Now I don’t hear them because I can only go to the later service.

Two Services

With two service people have more choices – in terms of times or styles of worship. But I prefer one service with a mix of contemporary and traditional music.

55. Single Service

The benefit of having one service: It brings the congregation together

Two Services

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56. Single Service

Benefit: We’re all together as one unit, congregation greater help for only one service

Problems: Room enough when the two worshipers start coming with all their children (we hope). We will start later and some may want to start their day and decide that they can’t wait for service.

Two Services

Benefit: More will have time they prefer. If can’t make it to 8:30 due to a conflict you can choose 11 to attend.

Problem: Separate services, harder to get overall opinions, unity concerning upcoming issues.

Maybe have one Sunday a month before total church, 1st or last Sunday of each month. Also…incorporate contemporary service into 8:30 service on a semi-regular basis?

57. Single Service

I’m worried that the contemporary service will just be swallowed up by the traditional service

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